aria: ([community] vampire abed)
valinor spider party ([personal profile] aria) wrote2011-10-02 05:02 pm

news from television land

i. My mother, on Community: "So when are Troy and Abed actually going to start dating?" This from the woman who loves both Life on Mars and White Collar, but thinks that Sam/Gene and the OT3 are far-fetched notions. Hey, Community writers! My het-centric mum thinks it should be canon Troy/Abed time!

ii. After ... roughly six years of a quiet internal will-I-won't-I and laughing at the fandom from afar, I ... appear to be watching Supernatural. I am watching it in a way where I am vetting episodes via wiki summary, and mostly watching the arc-plot stuff or the episodes with guest stars I like, and it is entirely possible that I will hit "Can't do this, too many dead women," sooner rather than later but on the other hand I watched all of s1 Game of Thrones. In any case, this television viewing brought to you by Dragon*Con, or more specifically Becca and Pali's two-hour late-night pitch about a show of, yeah, problematic stuff, but also codependency and moral ambiguity and other stupid things I love. And also Mark Sheppard's face. MARK SHEPPARD, WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT SO MANY SEASONS FOR YOUR FACE.

iii. I'm not actually sure I have a third television thing! But it seems asymmetrical otherwise. Eh, it's okay, I should be devoting more energy to writing than to watching things anyway.
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[personal profile] lowkey 2011-10-02 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I watched, maybe four episodes of Supernatural's first season, but I have a stupidstupidstupid man crush on Misha Collins. So I'm trapped in this "will he/won't he" situation where I want to get to the later seasons, once he and MARK SHEPPARD show up... but there's also the fact that there are so many episodes between here and there.

Your approach sounds best.
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[personal profile] lowkey 2011-10-03 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I'm totally glad that someone else has the same problem.

Your approach sounds like the best way to handle the situation. I've heard that the first season is mostly episodic, monster of the week material. So hey! What could go wrong?
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[personal profile] rusty_halo 2011-10-03 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, I did something similar with SPN. I was horrified from afar by the crazy fandom and all the sexism I kept hearing about. Then I caught the S1 finale in repeats and watched solely to mock, and particularly expecting to loathe Dean Winchester...

And yeah, ended up mainlining the entire series (~100 episodes at that point) in 12 days, and 1.5 year later am still head over heels for Dean. :) :) :)

Still, the show is incredibly problematic, and I can't hold it against anyone for deciding to give up on it. But for me there is no other show that's reached this level of hitting so many of my narrative and character kinks.

Anyway, how far in are you? Don't skip 1x09, 1x12, 1x16, 1x18, or 1x20-22. ;)
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[personal profile] rusty_halo 2011-10-03 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yay 1x09! A feast of woobie!Dean. I think it's the first of many times he tears up in extreme close-up. :)

I was so not expecting to want to draw little hearts around him! He's such an asshole on the surface, yet such a ridiculous woobie underneath, and a complete goofball, and the show just loves zooming in on his big green eyes and freckles and eyelashes and those lips and then breaking his heart and making him cry and throwing him into walls and I don't even know, it's just perfect. I love how the show revels in what a mess he is instead of trying to convince the audience that he's always right.

I think the character actually does have interesting aspects in terms of gender--he's got this extreme overcompensating performance of hypermasculinity mixed with the fact that he's actually filling all the traditionally feminine roles in the family, he's the caretaker and the peacemaker and the self-sacrificing one, etc. So it's complicated, but yeah, still both the character and the show cross the sexism line for me way too often. I definitely can't blame the people who don't want to put up with it. (One rec would be to skip 3x06 and 3x09 btw, maybe read the ep summary of 3x09 for plot stuff but don't actually watch it.)
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[personal profile] tei 2011-10-03 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I've been having the same kind of thing with Supernatural in that I really, really want to be a proper Misha Collins fangirl. Like, he is my only legitimate lasting actorcrush, and I've NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN HIM ACT, besides random clips of Castiel bits on youtube. But. Like. HE RELOCATED A TREE. IN THE MIDDLE OF L.A. I DON'T EVEN. Sooo a while ago I watched the pilot of Supernatural? And found it... kind of dull. Not actually boring, but dull as in... I'm very sensitive to the colour scheme that films use, and with Supernatural I just found myself going OH MY GOD CAN THERE PLEASE BE DAYLIGHT? OR AT LEAST A BRIGHT LIGHTBULB? I NEED A SUN LAMP JUST TO WATCH THIS SHOW. (Also, I kind of took an immediate dislike to Sam, which is a problem 'cuz he's kind of around a lot.

Then again, Thor has basically cured me of any lingering distaste I may once have had for incest. Actually, I guess most of that was probably purged by bandom. So theoretically, if I learned to like Sam, I could do SPN.

So, I may do a Highlander-esque watch where, instead of the Methos bits, I watch the Castiel bits. I don't know when. Maybe Christmas break. Buuuut I look forward to your SPN updates, if you choose to do them!
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[personal profile] tei 2011-10-03 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Thank goodness it bothers other people, I thought it was just me being nitpicky/not noticing when there was light. Uh yeah I think that was actually my major reason for not wanting to watch any more.

Based on the hilarity of the few Castiel bits I've seen, I really need to. ANGEL OF THE LORD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PORN. "If the pizza man truly loves this babysitter, why does he keep slapping her rear?" eujhgSFYJGAFHDF
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[personal profile] tei 2011-10-03 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I KNOWWWWW. Also, I had a few days where the only song I listened to was this on repeat.
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[personal profile] rusty_halo 2011-10-03 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, if it helps, the network had the same complaints about the color scheme, so the show ended up brightening significantly in season three and has been full of saturated color ever since. (I didn't mind the dull colors since it brought back happy nostalgic memories of X-Files for me.)

Also I don't love Sam either, but there's plenty of Dean to make up for him, and later also Cas. And Sam himself does change a lot and get more interesting (and Jared Padalecki starts learning how to actually act during season two) so I don't hate him anymore the way I did in S1.
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[personal profile] tei 2011-10-03 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh, this is good to know!
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[personal profile] lowkey 2011-10-04 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
I've been having the same kind of thing with Supernatural in that I really, really want to be a proper Misha Collins fangirl.

HOW ARE YOU IN MY HEAD
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[personal profile] tei 2011-10-04 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
RIGHT

RIGHT

RIGHT
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2011-10-03 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Regarding Mark Sheppard: He's also in Warehouse 13 and you don't have to wait nearly as long! Granted, he's not in much, but rumor by way of S2 DVD extras is that he'll be back. (I'll be interested to see how they do that.)
And it's a less problematic show in general. I mean, it has its WTF moments (when they flub continuity they flub it big-time, and there's not nearly enough of Leena, and they pulled an Evil Bisexual, and I really really hope they're not pulling an Evil Gay Guy this season...), but it is full of Bechdel passing and other assorted win.
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2011-10-03 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
The Bechdel passing is super-awesome, and one of many reasons why I love the show. (There's also the playing-with-history awesome. And the mystery-solving awesome. And Claudia, though I may be biased re: her. XD)
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[personal profile] ste_noni 2011-10-03 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
I avoided SPN for years for all the reasons you mention. Then I started watching last Jan (because I too MUST watch it all IN ORDER!) and um, now I'm in love. The codependency between the brothers is like really good crack.

So, does this mean you might be writing SPN-fic sometime soon?
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[personal profile] gehayi 2011-10-03 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
So--most important question in fandom--are you a Dean girl or a Sam girl?
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[personal profile] sentientcitizen 2011-10-03 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
You're watching the John Winchester Is An Asshole Show (With Bonus Dead Women)! I will be very excited to hear your thoughts on it as you watch on.
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[personal profile] sentientcitizen 2011-10-04 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I am trying to remember to resent the dead women. Which - ack, haha, is a terrible thing to say, but they point I'm trying to make is that it just becomes so normal after a while, I've stopped registering as outrageous. And - just because you know it's a cheap gambit to manipulate you emotionally does not mean you can avoid being manipulated emotionally. I watched one of the infamous single-sparkling-tear-of-manpain episodes (for the record, Dean shed a single tear, Sam bawled his eyes out) and almost cried too. Because - and then they - and she was a monster - and they had to kill her - and so sad!

I wish I had your ability to take gleeful delight in his assholeness! Every time he shows up on my screen I start shouting things like "would it kill you to explain your plan, you bastard!" and "for fucks sake just man up and tell your boy you love them!" and, most often, "diaf you obnoxious son of a bitch".
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[personal profile] sentientcitizen 2011-10-04 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh - yes, that is *clever*. Women's Work always makes me angry, and I suspect it'll work even better now that I'm at a point in canon where I actually know who all of these women are. (The Price is also excellent beyond reckoning, but I'll always resent the inclusion of that clip of Laura Roslin's grave; fuck you, her death was the end of her journey, and that is not invalidated by the fact that it made Bill really sad.)

See, I really enjoy the Sam and Dean Are Not Functional Humans show, especially when they awkwardly try to talk about their feelings or point out to each other how much their childhood warped them. But I think what I'm enjoying most is how they're working things out now that John is out of the way and they can't just operate my automatically obeying (Dean) or disobeying (Sam) his orders. They actually have to make decisions for themselves! They have to evaluate the world and come to their own conclusions! They have to make incredibly stupid decisions based on their epic co-dependence and inability to even pretend to be functional humans without the other person in their life!

I mean, okay, they don't have to do that last one. BUT STILL. And then John shows up and suddenly they're like kids again, and Dean's just obeying and Sam's just rejecting, and while that's... probably pretty true to, you know, psychology, I just can't get into it as much.